And not just because its real. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. . But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. Shirley. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. us around. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Memorial University Medical School. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Subscribe here. But afterwards, all wounded and broken down, you will see the power of the human spirit even in the face of the darkest of souls." (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Cpl. If. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. In the course of the next two yearsas Turners extradition process dragged on, as Bagbys parents moved from California to Newfoundland to fight for custody of the baby, and as the case eventually took an even more terrible turnthe film came to be about those events as well. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Bill C-464 when enacted will justify detention in custody for a person accused of a serious crime who is a potential danger to their own minor children. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. You will cry. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. While that change felt good, David wanted more. They are warm. Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. Then, upon. January 28, 2008: Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Serious crime is rare in this country. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. -, "A 10 out of 10. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. Because this is where you need it. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. Skewed imagery. An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT. This is the attention thing I was talking about. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. What a flaky person. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. (Talking in group) This is not about money. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy And he'd be like(turns. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Remember these two things as I go on. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. The bill has added an amendment to Canada's criminal code giving courts the right to refuse bail to someone charged with a serious crime who is deemed a potential danger to children under the age of 18. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. Djing. MORRISON: But then things changed. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. And thus the decision from which all else followed. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. You dont get over it. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. The 14 Most Upsetting Parts Of Dear Zachary That Broke Your Heart - Ranker Our 100 journalists strive to inform and improve our East Coast communities by delivering impartial, high-impact, local journalism that provokes thought and action. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Then, suddenly, tears. December 10, 2007: MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. And so, on August 18, 2003, Shirley Jane Turner kills Zachary. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. She was coming here to take care of me. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. How the fuck do you live like that? This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. I just want to get through medical school.'. I would really like for you and Kate. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. And you just bought the gun, right? Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. ', KATE: He's so loved. What kind of headfuck must that be? Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) Bagby Scholarship | Excela Health Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. Cpl. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. Wow." Dear Zachary had its Canadian premiere at the Hot Docs International Documentary Film Festival in Toronto, where it was welcomed by a line down the street and around the block to get in. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. After Canadian mother killed herself and their only grandchild, U.S And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Specific in nature? His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Here's Why 'Dear Zachary' Is The Most Upsetting Documentary Ever Made After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. You know? CORNER BROOK, N.L. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Imagine it. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. substance to it. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. did. The film is by the phenomenal writer, director and composer Kurt Kuenne. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. Zachary didn't seem like. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. I--we both did. PDF Bail bill inspired by Bagby's murdered grandson The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. I mean, the best man is really the groom. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. Understood? -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Right? Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. September 28, 2008: Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. She. Sharing voices. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. KATE: I had a great childhood. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.'
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